Advice about an offer at a startup company

Ching - The number of shares means nothing without knowing how many total shares are outstanding in the company. You should always approach equity by understanding the percentage ownership of the company you will receive - not the number of shares.

Check out my blog post, The Most Important Number? - Which addresses the issue of stock options

My 2 cents.... I would approach equity using both % and number of shares at that point in time and gauge the future...factor in your estimates on future dilutions....and impact on your %. A startup is a great learning experience.......Coming out of college I would expect new grads to thrive because they do not have to unlearn what they picked up working for an established company... Even if the company fails, you will learn and one day use the learning to start your own. good luck.

No, working for free is not a reasonable offer. Working as a contractor for 2 months prior to a full time offer may be Ok. I wouldn't relocate without a written offer.

You do not say what you do, so it is hard to gauge if the offer is reasonable.

Not enough data to comment on the equity as well.

For better input please answer the following;

Position years of experience how many employees at startup funding status of startup, how much, valuation where is startup located

In general the compensation is extremely low. Working for a good startup is very valuable in terms of career marketability and experience. With the data you provided, it would appear that the company is trying to take advantage of you, which is not a good sign.

I have never been asked to work without pay and I believe you should not have to unless you are a founder. If you can't bring value soon after starting, you should find a job more suited to your current skills.

The salary seems low to me. In my experience as an employee at venture-funded startups, salaries have been something like 75% of what I could make in a big company. Not sure what your skills are, but I assume you could get more than $32k working for a large company.

And what exactly does "$30k in shares" mean? Options to purchase shares that are currently worth $30k? If so, who valued them, and on what data was the valuation based? What's the probability distribution for the shares' value at the time you vest? The conventional wisdom is to flip options as soon as you vest (assuming they're not underwater).

There are lots of finance people here :-)

My advice:

If the job is interesting, I think you should totally go ahead. It seems to me that you are still very young since you haven´t finished your degree yet.

I would take the risk. What´s the worst that could happen? That you don´t like the job and after a few months you quit? Well, in that case, you pocket some cash and you will have won some INVALUABLE experience that none of your classmates has. Don´t focus too much on the financial rewards. That´s small thinking. You have 40-50 years ahead of you to make money.

But what if it works out and the start up suddenly takes off?? You may be in for lots of money and recognition. You may even make a name for yourself. The only thing I would suggest, is that you reserve somehow the option of receiving more shares if the company goes well. You need to get a piece of the cake.

Good luck!

My summary of great answers above and my thoughts:

• Two months without pay is called an internship, not a job. It raises a flag to me that the person is taking advantage of you.

• That said, if you look at it like an internship, then this is a great opportunity to get more work experience in addition to what you already have, in a horrible, horrible job market. Plus a possibility the company succeeds and all that goes with that.

• You're getting options, not shares. You buy them at the per share price they quote if there is ever liquidity for them. That's always a long shot. As said, you need to know total outstanding to know your percentage then do a little simple math. If you get 1/2 of a percent and you think the company could be worth $10 million in a few years then you've got $50k. But highly discount the value of these in terms of making your decision. Assume they'll be worth little and decide with your other facts.

• Negotiate. Ask for what you want and see what they say. E.G. are you guaranteed the $2k/month for the two months? (Sounds like a dumb question but be sure. Have it in writing?) What about if it doesn't work out. You're taking a big risk and giving a lot to them. Again, negotiate, try and get more in return. What's your salary when the two months are done? Are they expecting additional funding...if so, negotiate a raise based on that. I wouldn't quit school and relocate without some guarantees on paper. If they're not willing to give a little then it would appear they're just taking advantage of you and I'd be wary of trusting them.

• What is the background of the founders? Success? Credible? Do they have a successful track record? Do you believe the company will successful?

• Do a Ben Franklin - list pro's and con's in two columns and see if that tells you anything.

I don't think anyone can or should tell you what to do. I think it's making sure you ask the questions, do the research and have the best information in front of you to make a decision.

Best of luck,

From what I read, you are feeling something is not right. I believe in trusting and listening to that "gut" feeling.

Their business model is predicated on having their software created for free? Sounds like you are taking all the risk. But... Do you think the company's chances of success equal the reward? Do the math on the valuation of the company and what your percentage will be.

If the company does not make it, will the software be worth working on? If so, it would look good on a CV.

Are there any mentors on their staff? You will learn more in a few months than in 4 years of college if they have at least one good programmer who is willing to help you.

1. Two months without pay is not normal (Probationary Period, or Contract is more like it) You should never work for free unless its for a legit volunteer opportunity.

2. Stock/Stock Options are worthless in a startup. Any valuation given to you is vapor at this point, since the company isn't even close to being public and you can't sell it. Once you can sell, its only worth as much as someone will pay. At this point the stock is a long term benefit, not compensation.

3. Make sure you believe in the company and the founders before you take a job. You need to understand its business, its business plan and make sure its sound. If your are an early stage employee it's reasonable to ask for this type of info. If you relocate you are taking a big risk for this company. (I'd ask for more money since California has a high cost of living and you cant live that well on 24k/yr)

Finish your degree and then find a job at a just-funded Series A company. There's lots of start-ups today and there will be lots more tomorrow. But if you don't finish your degree, you will be limited down the road. At this point in your career, you should consider summer internships. Don't throw away your future for a start-up that is not sufficiently funded to pay a real wage. There's plenty of funded start-ups and those will have the funds to hire out top folks--and those are the ones you want in your professional network.

P.S. I'd consider $60k to be "minimum wage" in the Bay Area/Silicon Valley right now. $24k won't cover the rent.

P.P.S. Just saw the business about waiting to transfer funds -- this is BS. A reputable VC can move money in 24 hours if no capital call is needed, and closing docs will have a target date with any capital call requirements in mind. These guys are jokers, don't waste any more time on them until there is money in the bank.

For the love of humanity, please don't work for free. Not only does it devalue you and your contributions, but it lessens the value and offers that every other potential worker will get out there.