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I am trying to get my web startup off the ground, but can't find time to come anywhere near finishing the core product because I'm stuck in a cubicle feeding my family, fattening up my landlord and fending off creditors. I have tried to seriously work on the product after hours, but then my job suffers badly, so I have to compensate for that and put the business aside for the next month. (It doesn't help that I suck at HTML/CSS/JavaScript.)

Had I been able to go full time when I started, my product would have been the only one of its kind for some months. But now, competitors are springing up all over the place. None of them have serious traction yet, but a couple are getting close.

The startup funding situation where I live is non-existent, so that's not an option. None of my three Fs have money or can provide any kind of meaningful support. The product has nothing to do with my current employment, so there's no way to make that work to my advantage. My wife can't work because she's a full time mother and university student. Basically, I'm screwed.

So the question is: Is there a way to free myself from this slavery and get my business off the ground?

Edit: Surely there must be some innovative/exotic seed accelerator for people in my position. Being trapped in a cubicle farm can do only one of two things: Drive you bat shit insane to the point of meltdown or motivate you beyond a level you previously thought possible. Imagine the awesome companies that would be created if that pent up motivation was unleashed.

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Could you please elaborate on how your day job suffers when you work on the startup "after-hours"? – tomeduarte Jul 17 '11 at 15:12
I can't really get going until everyone has gone to bed which is about 11pm. (Remember I have a wife and kids to attend to.) I don't get to bed earlier than 3am, so I'm dead tired and unproductive at work. – user10679 Jul 17 '11 at 15:16
please list the times you spend on things during the day/week. surely there must be a way to get 5 hours of time during a week somewhere? If there is not, then you may have to wait. – TimJ Jul 18 '11 at 2:28
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Your edit and attitude seems to imply that you are looking for answers/solutions from somewhere other than yourself... You will be disappointed. You have to either find the time or just wait/put your plans on hold. There is no silver bullet here either I am afraid. You probably have to use your time more efficiently or figure out a way to work on your project. Since you did not choose to provide a description of how you spend your time there is no real way to help. Good luck. – TimJ Jul 19 '11 at 14:36
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I'm in a similar situation. What I've found out is that for me it is an advantage to be busy with family (and kids) and a full time job. Why? Because it really FORCES me to priorities and thinking about what is REALLY important in the startup. It is sooo easy to waste time and energy on stuff that is not worth it in the long run. Be creative and you will find ways! – Anders Hansson Jul 20 '11 at 0:08
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You're obviously in a tight spot, it's difficult to bootstrap a startup, keep a full-time job and have a family all at the same time. Believe me, I know.

I think I can give you some insight since I'm in a similar position: I'm finishing my MSc, a part-time web developer at a large company, run a small web dev company I founded (now with a team of 3), work as a sysadmin for a couple of companies and also developing a new web startup (now in the process of raising seed funding). This has been going on for the last 3 or 4 years and I've managed to still have enough work-life balance to keep my girlfriend throughout all that and be happy.

I don't have any kids and that must be a huge challenge. They're also the reason why you must keep pushing forward, but don't get lost in all the things you have to do. Only use your time to help you reach your ultimate goal: more quality time with your family, better quality of life, etc.

Set clear and manageable goals


It would be great if you could have your product with all bells and whistles; however, that is not an option. Go with a Minimum Viable Product and embrace the lean startup ways of bootstrapping.

Build small, fast, validated stuff and put it out there. That means you'll have your product in the market as-soon-as-possible, albeit not a perfect product, and that will allow you to have some revenues from your startup. That helps you in several different ways:

  • you'll have "spending money" which you can use to grow the startup faster. You can hire/outsource some of the design and focus on building the market or vice-versa. Of course there are things you can't outsource but set a clear strategy for your first income and use it in order to reach your goals faster
  • your family will see value in what you're doing. It's really hard for someone outside of the startup, even close loved ones, to see the value of your product right from the start. Seeing that it is actually making money (read: perceived as valuable by others) will help them understand why you want to spend more time on that.
  • having a good product (even an MVP) in the wild and actually interacting with customers will help you realize much sooner if you're going in the right direction, build a community of early-adopters and create traction for your product. The more interaction, the faster things start moving.

Keep track


If you want to succeed, you have to keep track of what you're doing, what you've done and how does that fit into your roadmap.

  1. it's a web product, so take care of the infrastructure. Invest some time implementing a continuous integration system that allows you to release and revert versions by sections (think groups of customers) and at the push of a button. This will save you countless hours taking care of "bad" deployments, enable you to test features in a much easier way and you'll also sleep better at night knowing that no "invalid" code goes into production - that means no refunds, complaints, etc.
  2. find a project management tool that works for you. I personally use chiliproject, but anything that keeps track of tasks, bugs, and code repositories works. Build a roadmap, assign versions, dates and try to keep tasks small enough to be "built" in 1 to 2h. In each task's description put the first steps to start it, that helps when you're tired and want to work.
  3. communicate clearly: with your family about your goals (they should be goals for everyone), with your customers about your products strategy, with everyone who wants to hear about your startup. It's important that people around you understand what you're doing and why you're doing it.

On a closing note, the most important thing is to keep time for yourself. You'll need some time to relax, unwind and just do stuff you like, be with your family and enjoy your life. That's what we work for.

Hope that helps,

Tomé Duarte

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+1 for "Keep track" section – Adam Jul 18 '11 at 0:17
Thanks @Adam. For me, it was the most difficult part to learn; still gives me trouble once in a while when I'm overloaded by tasks. – tomeduarte Jul 18 '11 at 11:26
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@tomeduarte Until you have kids you have no idea what busy means. Seriously. – user10679 Jul 19 '11 at 11:42
I agree completely and didn't mean to come across as if I did know how difficult it is. – tomeduarte Jul 19 '11 at 13:22

I'm going to take the contrarian view and suggest that your current project is doomed to failure.

  1. You don't appear to be an optimists or have the drive. This post is a contrarian view here because other entrepreneurs tend to be optimists, and we'll frequently encourage others. It's the only way we can handle all of our endeavors that do fail and without giving up.

  2. You already have competition, they appear to be having a difficult time in the space, and you don't describe yourself as highly skilled. So I wonder how you would beat the competition or attract customers yourself.

  3. You have a difficult time prioritizing your startup over your day job and enjoying life with your family. You more than likely have better priorities than many of us. However, many successful entrepreneurs do so by putting their business first, which frequently results in other parts of our life being strained.

So at this point, you have a choice, accept reality or overcome adversity. If you read all of this and are still determined, then you may have what it takes. Just realize that you're going to have a much better chance of succeeding if you start making some changes.

If, however, a negative post like this is enough to make you want to give up, then I'd honestly say you should give up, search for a better job, and enjoy your family. Entrepreneurship isn't for everyone, and we wouldn't be doing you a favor by leading you astray just because we're self promoters.

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+1, I really like how you framed the state of mind of the reader, @BMitch. Funny, my first thought while reading was "Who is this person telling others they have or don't have what it takes?". The end of the answer really changes the mindset. – tomeduarte Jul 18 '11 at 11:46
+1 for "If, however, a negative post like this is enough to make you want to give up, then I'd honestly say you should give up, search for a better job, and enjoy your family. Entrepreneurship isn't for everyone, and we wouldn't be doing you a favor by leading you astray just because we're self promoters." – Shree Mandadi Jul 18 '11 at 13:05
@BMitch: 1. Of course I'm an optimist. I wouldn't even bother trying otherwise - it's too hard for most. 2. It is a difficult space, but I have some advantages. I am a highly skilled and experienced software developer, just not a web developer. 3. Family life is a prison sentence, certainly not something I enjoy. – user10679 Jul 19 '11 at 11:47
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"3. Family life is a prison sentence, certainly not something I enjoy. " - Well, it seems you have deeper problems than just trying to start a business. If you hate your job and you are not happy with the family you have a long, hard road of misery. I'd suggest you focus on the priorities first and perhaps get counseling. You are deluding yourself if you think another job/venture will fix things. Many of us regret the time we spent away from families - sacrificing that side of our lives to build businesses. You seem to want to run away. Good luck. – TimJ Jul 19 '11 at 14:38
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@Tim: this wasn't intended to be completely negative, more like tough love from a drill instructor. If someone can stare adversity in the face and say "you can't tell me what I can't do", then they've got it, and this was hopefully motivating. But, when they reply that "family life is a prison sentence", then I think you're right, there are other issues they need to solve first. – BMitch Jul 19 '11 at 16:26
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CubicleSlave, I am in a similar position. I have three small boys (one of whom has autism) and I totally get both your exhaustion and how hard it is for others to understand it. I have been chipping away at my startup after hours for three years now, and I'm weeks away from launching with a MVP. It's taken me this long because I have debilitating arm pain that slows me down (if I work too much at my startup it's agony to do my day job), and both of my business partners have been unproductive (one dropped out).

My strategy is to just keep doing a little every night. At the moment I can only do half an hour, but the startup is always moving forward. When we launch, I may not be able to put in enough time to make it the next facebook (er.. Google+ :) ). It may only end up being the equivalent of a small pay rise, but what keeps me going is:

1) It's a new idea that will help a lot of people who are currently hurting with no help. The only way a competitor will eclipse me is to help these people even better, so I still win.

2) I've come too damn far to give up now.

So all I can say is, you have to play the cards you've been dealt. If you only have a little time, only use a little time. Take smaller steps and get some sleep.

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This is the best practical answer to the said question, seriously. :) – Vin Jul 20 '11 at 1:59
+1 "The only way a competitor will eclipse me is to help these people even better, so I still win." - I wish everyone would do business like this. Great post, @Mako. – tomeduarte Jul 20 '11 at 7:45
@Mako: That attitude is commendable. Surely, though, it must be obvious that you're much more motivated and fundable than others who get funded. It's not about whinging or entitlement - it's about win-win deals that go begging because the best people to make the most of a successful attempt at leaping into entrepreneurship are too busy working their butts off to chase funding. – user10679 Jul 20 '11 at 10:49

Based on your edits and your comments it sounds like you are an unhappy, inflexible person. Please don't take offense at that - it is a quick (possibly inaccurate) observation based solely on what you posted here:

To summarize:

I'm stuck in a cubicle feeding my family, fattening up my landlord and fending off creditors

You seem to resent your family and you clearly are playing a victim regarding landlords and creditors

Obviously you don't have kids either

You are quick to make unfounded assumptions

I can't imagine how my family could help.

You are not looking at the big picture.

Whenever I was away from the project, I lost track of it...

You might be a little too controlling/obsessed with control of the project.

No time to stop and smell the roses.

This is a shame.

Family life is a prison sentence, certainly not something I enjoy.

I am sorry for you. And your family.

Until you have kids you have no idea what busy means. Seriously.

That is arrogant and ignorant - many, many productive people manage to start productive businesses with a family/kids. I know of people who had jobs, raised a family and went to medical school, business school or law school at the same time. Instead of seeing yourself as a victim try to do something about it.

Stuck in a cubicle supporting family

You are right - this says it all.

This is more about your attitude than anything else. I'd suggest fixing your personal life and work happiness first - the rest will follow.

I am not sure you will be able to resolve this but I hope you do.

You mention you start at 11pm and then go to 3am - why not just do one hour a night? Or perhaps start an hour earlier?

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Steve, I would say one of the things that makes entrepreneurs unique is their optimism which at times can be delusional.

There is always a million reasons why something wont work. Lay out everything you have going for you. List all the possible things you have going for you. Somewhere in that list is a solution.

Also remember that your idea is just an idea. Its the execution of the idea that really matters. Google wasnt the first search engine. Being first to market can be important but keep it in perspective that your execution is the most important aspect. Keep an eye out what people are doing but dont let it consume you.

If you are crunched for time/resources try and get the most basic version of your product out on market. Strip out all the extras and get a core product out and move on that. If it builds a little bit of traction more opportunities will present themselves.

Good Luck!

Martin

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No time to stop and smell the roses. There's more to this than an idea. There's a lot of research, a bit of customer development (have some customers willing to jump in when it's ready for test, but not preorder (I wouldn't raise enough from preorders to let me quit my job to get the product usable)), and a substantial amount of development. – user10679 Jul 19 '11 at 11:51

You have a good idea (I assume the idea is still good enough inspite of competition closing in on it) and not enough resources (timewise).

Here are some options:

  1. Make some sacrifices in one or more of the other areas to free up resources (time)

    • Work - at your day job - Can you reduce your efforts there and just do enough to get by? This is what MANY folks do.
    • Family - if you can get some help from other members (wife/in-laws/parents) - enough to get time 2-3 days of the week where you can work on your startup
    • Money - do you have any money you can sacrifice and pay some offshore developers (ondesk.com?) to get something accelerated?
  2. IF NONE of option 1 is doable - the only alternative is to get another dude/dudette on board with your idea - as a co-founder or otherwise, share some equity and go get'em!

NONE of the above is easy. But neither is starting a startup.

But you seem like you really want to do it and that counts for a lot! Go get'em!

-Siva

PS: I have used ALL of the above :)

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Sorry about the formatting... the editor messed up my numbering... – Siva Jul 17 '11 at 17:29
I fixed the formatting, feel free to revert the changes if you don't like it. – tomeduarte Jul 17 '11 at 17:34
Thanks Tom.. :) – Siva Jul 17 '11 at 17:42
@tomeduarte: All requests to reduce my hours have been denied. I can't imagine how my family could help. No one has skills, education or money. Managing offshore teams is more hassle than it's worth. I might as well just build the thing myself. It would take far less effort than providing the documentation required to get anything near what I want. And I probably won't know exactly what I want until I see what I don't want. Tried a cofounder. Whenever I was away from the project, I lost track of it so I couldn't contribute when I came back. That was worse than going solo. – user10679 Jul 19 '11 at 12:01
@CubicleSlave wasn't that comment meant for @Siva? I just fixed the formatting, not my answer :) – tomeduarte Jul 19 '11 at 13:23
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The simple answer is to aim lower.

Not that productive with web work? Outsource it or find a partner.

Too big of a project? Try a simpler product.

Need something NOW? I know of a landscaping company where the owner clears over 100k... He started with a push mower and some hustle.

Just need some inspiration? Peldi @ Balsamiq did it (kids + full time job + startup when everyone else was asleep). http://blogs.balsamiq.com/peldi/2011/03/13/bos2010/

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Something that I did when I was starting my startup:

Every weekend (friday night, saturday afternoon/night and sunday morning I worked at least 4 hours in my project). The same thing for holiday and vacation. My Christmas bonus, I spent with a freelancer. But what helped me at most was to have a partner, that could share the load with me and bring the motivation when I was almost giving up (the opposite was as well true).

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I wish I had that same luxury. Obviously you don't have kids either. Having a cofounder turned out being worse than going solo because our availability rarely overlapped and he didn't really share the vision. – user10679 Jul 19 '11 at 12:03
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i have kid, a 3 months one :-) so i had most of time a pregnant woman what is as well not easy :-) – VP. Jul 19 '11 at 20:35

Before you do/start anything, you need to change your attitude. Your post resonates a lot of blame and hatred especially toward capitalists who you desperately want "seeding" from.

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My mentality has always been capitalist - flat tax, small government and all that. I have never let financial circumstances sway me otherwise. I suggested a seed program that targets parents stuck in cubicles because it would be a win-win. Parents are typically more motivated, energetic and experienced than college kids but often can't make the jump because they and their kids would be homeless in weeks. – user10679 Jul 21 '11 at 12:13
I should add that my anger and hatred is for the situation I find myself in, not for any person or group. This is just another case of "there has to be a better way", not "I hate VCs because they're not beating a path to my door." – user10679 Jul 21 '11 at 12:19

I was touched by your question and your situation. BUT.

You cannot do everything at a high degree: You cannot feed your children, every day, play with them everyday, feed your wife and spend quality time with her everyday, work in a cubicle everyday and deliver quality focus, attention dedication and time into all of those meanwhile expecting your own new web startup business to take off magically...

"SOMETHING's GOTTA GIVE"

Meaning you've gotto find someone else to take some of your current tasks, e.g. let your grandmother play with the children a few days of the week etcettera.

Then, within that newly freed up space, you will find the energy, time and space, both physically and mentally, to start spending the quality to your new business.

Nothing has ever been achieved without dedication, love, attention, focus and time spent on to it.

Finally, once you've changed your situation, glare your positive aura! e.g. change your nickname from CubicleSlave into something more positive like NewBorn or FreeTheSpirit. Good luck mate!

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