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My fiance and I started a business together 2 years ago. He quit his job and I kept my full-time job. We raised $300K from friends and family via promissory notes convertible to shares when a larger funding event occurs (angel or Series A).

Despite many successes and positive publicity, we still have not closed additional funding for him to take a salary and hire other staff to support him. He's tired of doing it on his own, and now wants to take a full-time paid position in another company. We also emptied our retirement and ran up $70K of debt on our credit cards, which needs to be paid ASAP. I'm amenable to this while we continue to look for funding.

Neither of us is on a vesting schedule. Each of us owns 35% of the company's shares, with the remaining 30% on reserve for the promissory note conversions and shares we issued as compensation to people serving the company under management services agreements.

The other reason it may not make much sense for him to work there is that it has turned into a technology company, which is not something for which he has experience. While it has ended up being much more lucrative for investors than originally planned, he may not be the best person to work there anyway.

What happens to his shares if we do get funded and he chooses to remain in his new job? And maybe a more important question is this: Will an investor ever invest in a company whose founders do not work there full-time, as the business has evolved into something else for which the founders have little experience but is still a lucrative investment?

Thanks for your input!

Deb

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Ah - where is your business a lucrative investment? He obviously does not see it, and I do not either. If it would be lucrative, you would have found an investor. – NetTecture Dec 21 '10 at 17:31
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@nettecture, of course you don't see it, it's not being disclosed in the question. What a crappy attitude man. – John Sjölander Dec 21 '10 at 17:45
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After 2 years it may not be so crappy anymore. More like "reality hits startup". Afgter 2 years no break even, no investor and one of the partners deciding his time may be better paid long term by taking a paid job. COULD be the startup just does not fly. – NetTecture Dec 21 '10 at 17:56
Agreed. But perhaps there's a way to say that without provoking bad blood? ;-) Just sayin' – John Sjölander Dec 21 '10 at 18:08
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That's an awful lot of money to burn through and have nothing to show for it. My question is why did it take so long for someone to figure out that one of you needs to go get a paying job? Don't worry about what investors are going to think - you need to figur eout how you are going to eat. – TimJ Dec 21 '10 at 19:24
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Has he decided or has he only expressed this?

I'll have to admit that if you're two years in, $70K in debt, plus having burned through $300K in angel funding, that I'd very, very much consider if I stood a serious chance. Investors are going to take notice, and you're not likely to get a good deal. And since your co-founder has insights in the financials and how close or far you may be from actually closing a Series A, I gather it's not happening next week.

Tough one. Try convincing him to stay on, if you're sure that you want to go on. But you have to face it – his concerns are very real.

PS. Funding is not a business model. Never has been. And it's not what's going to save your company. Funding is the necessary evil you need to accept for possible higher returns down the road.

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+1. 2 people, one paid, 370k USD burned. 2 years, no investor in sight. No product it seems. No revenue? Focus change. Time to step back and wonder what went wrong. – NetTecture Dec 21 '10 at 18:03

What happens to his shares if we do get funded and he chooses to remain in his new job?

In the absence of any specific agreement to the contrary, he will still own them and be able to do whatever he wants with them.

That can become a problem. For instance, an early Craigslist investor sold his shares to Craigslist's competitor eBay, and the two companies wound up duking it out in court in 2008. A pre-IPO stockholder can also mess you around by selling shares to enough people to push your shareholder count over 35, which triggers all kinds of legal complications.

That's why it's common to have all pre-IPO stockholders sign an agreement that if any of them want to bail, the others get first right of refusal to buy them out at a fixed price according to a formula. The absence of such an agreement is likely to make knowledgeable potential investors nervous, so you should put one in place asap.

Will an investor ever invest in a company whose founders do not work there full-time, as the business has evolved into something else for which the founders have little experience but is still a lucrative investment?

If the company is making a profit, maybe.

If it's not profitable but at least turning a lot of cash and could become profitable with some effort, less likely but possible.

If it's neither profitable nor turning cash, very unlikely.


I'm also wondering, if it's become a technology company and he's not experienced in that, who did the technology? If it was you, why don't you switch roles and let him have the day job and you go full time with it?

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Let it be a lesson to you. Dont borrow what you cannot afford. Its harsh news, but if you and your husband did not work during this period I am guessing you took some sort of salary. I think if after two years and a reasonable investment up front, if you have not made it then there is no reason for everyone to go down with a sinking ship.

You could try to raise more capital, but take a hard look at your business. Its unacceptable that at this point you are not profitable enough to cover employee salaries.

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I cannot form an opinion based on the data you provided. To begin, if one was to take a hatchet approach then surely by the numbers your dead. However you have not shared the business model and potentially you and your partner may have underestimated the market place. More importantly underestimating financially what it would take to properly capture that market. Without describing what business and at what stage you are in then it maybe presumptive to just shoot down the opportunity. Researching your marketplace will help to outline what the risk is overall. Do you have a formal business plan?

I would recommend you step back and analyze the business thoroughly and objectively to begin. Do you have a compelling business? Can you prove it? If you had ALL the resources in the world, what would it earn revenue wise? If so, I would then start to look at how to raise capital and perhaps align with a partner that can get you in some money meetings.

Perhaps you can buy back shares from your partner on a debt note since he's cutting his losses. I would settle that issue before continuing. If your firm was in step 1 product development then 2 yrs isn't that long of a period of time, especially if you are developing a product and testing market. You are not describing this.

At some point though if this is your problem you have to do a 180 and get properly positioned financially or you're only putting off inevitable death of it anyway. As nutty as it may sound, send everyone home and rethink the endeavor clearly. Now maybe a good time to address this.

??Will an investor ever invest in a company whose founders do not work there full-time, as the business has evolved into something else for which the founders have little experience but is still a lucrative investment? ?? Ray Croc isn't flipping burgers any time soon but people buy McDonalds shares everyday. The product will hold its own if it has merit.

Stay positive, hope this helps XSDirect

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