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Currently I have been personally funding my tech related start up idea by paying a developer to get it to the demo stage where it is now. In order to get it to the next level the costs increase as I was expecting. (I approached the developer I had been using to partner with, but he is more of a project manager working with various developers and I signed a contract not to recruit his developers).

I am looking to bring on a developer/programmer to reduce costs and have an individual in-house to grow with the company and produce ideas. I do not have a coding background at all so my technology connections are very limited and there is no way I could do it myself.

What is the best way to find a programmer/developer to partner with on this project of mine? I understand once I find an individual I will need to interview them and see if our interests are aligned, but I don’t know where to start finding the right programmer willing to partner with me. Are there any online forums? Developer groups (I am located in southern California) Would Craigslist be an option?

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There's a great article about this by Derek Sivers, here: sivers.org/how2hire – user20118 Oct 13 '12 at 7:43

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You may want to look at www.stackoverflow.com they have job postings.

Since you can't hire any of your project manager's people, maybe they can recommend someone or assist with the technical part of the interview?

Some interesting ideas: http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2628-how-to-hire-a-programmer-when-youre-not-a-programmer

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I'd add reading some of Joel on Software thoughts on getting a developer. – John Bogrand Sep 8 '10 at 21:40
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@John - that's nice, but that book if I recall seems geared towards a technical person interviewing other technical people. The problem the OP has is finding and evaluating those folks as he has no real interaction with that world. – TimJ Oct 27 '10 at 16:42

The problem is finding good programmers. Good programmers on the other hand are very picky too when it comes to finding good partner. Problem is, we programmers (I am one too) need to do some real hard work before the other partners can start doing their job. If we don't have the right partners we have done lots of work and wasted lots of time withouth any outcome. I have myself failed with one "partner" and now I have lost 4000 € in time and money even when the prototype is ready and could be used.

These days if I hear "i have a good idea and just need a programmer to deal with it" I run away, crying. It seems millions of people have "good ideas". They even don't care if 5 others have had the same idea. Sometimes they come even up telling me they have a good idea, which is basically like "Facebook". Not sure if I should laugh or cry at this time.

If you want me to invest my time, you need to convince me that you are a good partner. It is not the time that people are hiring developers. There is so much work out there... coders can choose. It is up to you to reach them and then to convince them to even listen to your idea.

Personally i listen to Twitter. If some of my friends are tweeting around that a reliable person is looking for help, I probably listen.

I look at interesting blogposts. Who wrote it? What does he do? Probably he is so serious he needs a guy like me? I even find out if the guy does a good job or not. I don't need a boss; I need somebody who knows how to do marketing, how to speak with people and how to organize things. Not how to make me more time pressure, I do that already myself.

Some offers i looked into came from personal recommendations (without web 2, really).

The one i failed miserable was a posting on a user group i was into. Will never listen again. People who are so desperate to post to user groups are likely weird, I learned.

When I decided to listen, I don't want to listen on the phone. It costs me too much time (which i can waste at forums like this one ;-)). I ask the guy to send me a one-pager. On that one I mostly see if it is good or simply too much work (all facebook like social webapps return immediately). If the idea is good and I can't do it, I am likely to recommend a fellow. If the idea is good and I can do it, I will speak on the phone about it.

That being said, if you are good with managing your product in these days, convince people are a good at your job. Recruit via twitter, personal contacts, write interesting devs directly when you read their blog and so on. Have a one pager prepared. I had some contacts who wanted to wast an hour on the phone but were to lazy to prepare me an one pager. Nobody wants to cooperate with lazy and slow people, so be prepared.

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So your lost project cost you one week revenue? One point you miss - large corps pay good programmers a LOT of money as contractors. Need 6 month of my time? Please hand over 90.000 Euro (or more actually). – NetTecture Jan 9 '12 at 19:53
Why do I miss a point? The guy owes me 4000€. More worse is that I have lost one week which I could easily have spent on my startup. Or that I have done this week as overtime which was very exhausting. Money is not everything, he just wasted my time, and this is inacceptable. Not paying me is some additional bullshit: not working on as a freelancer at the moment 4000€ means paying my flats rent a few times. – Christian Jan 9 '12 at 20:04
Well, just that 4000 sounded very low. VERY low for a good programmer. You should have - imho - pointed that out a lot more. Finding a good programmer is not only about "having a good idea", it is also about "making it attractive for a quite high paid specialist". Most startup founders are not aware how high good programmers are paid. – NetTecture Jan 9 '12 at 20:25
Well, probably I should have pointed that out more. 4k sounds low at first glance, but as a fulltime prototyper I accepted some equity. And I got money, just not everything I billed. When I work for equity I do not apply the full price as I would when working as freelancer. I agree that most startup founders have no clue about current prices, but most startups would not be possible if you would ask for the same price as you get from the contract of your bank. – Christian Jan 10 '12 at 8:19
Yes, but then "ok, I pay you 2000 a month + some small equity" is where good programmers start laughing on the way out. People looking for a good programmer need to know at least what they have to balance with "proxpect" and "equity". And programmers - good ones - are WELL paid. – NetTecture Jan 10 '12 at 8:23
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You can also try fairsoftware's "find a co-founder" app, and they are actually located in the valley.

http://fairsoftware.net/find-cofounders-for-your-startup

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Yes, a good programmer is hard to find because many people can masquerade as good programmers, particularly to someone who isn't one. My suggestion would be to ask a few key questions based on the type of person who becomes a good programmer. If someone touts their abilities with a particular language - they are not a good programmer because good programmers write in many languages and language knowledge is not the mark of a good programmer, coding style is. If someone touts their ability to get help from their friends, they are not a good programmer because a good programmer can figure it out themselves. If someone touts marketing skills or management skills, that is a dead give away to stay away because their skill is in talking the talk, not walking the walk. So who does that leave, perhaps someone who just likes to program and does not have current money worries.

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A non-technical person can't judge a good programmer from a bad one just based on the key questions related to their skill. You don't even have to ask question about skills of a programmer but just about their last project and their role in it. In order to determine the skill level you need someone already at some skill level in the field. – Karlson Nov 28 '12 at 16:14

Might be worth attending some programming user groups. If your demo for example is written with Ruby on Rails you may find a meetup / user group where some techies get together. Get to know some of the people, explain the idea you are working on, get a feel if there is any interest in your idea.

It will be hard for you to get someone full time right away. I would suggest you find someone that can moonlight / part-time on your project for awhile to ensure they are a good fit and that they appear to know what they are doing. They need to be passionate about it and be excited at the opportunity that they can work on it full time when/if you bring up that option. Also, equity is a good incentive... as long as they are genuinely interested in it.

You could try and negotiate a better situation with your current company. Setup a monthly retainer for $X,XXX for a block of time dedicated to your project. Assuming they are doing a good job, having a 'team' immediately may be more of a benefit that having a single developer.

There is a lot more that goes into an application than just programming. Typically you'll want someone with usability and creative experience as well.

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